Just had a look at the front page. Yes, it is definitely a lot \'cleaner\' and less confusing than the one I remember.

Well done!

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Crediting did happen last night. I thought I saw it flatlined for about 3 days in a row, but I am not as sure as I was. This major winter weather we had over the past couple of days must have also gotten into my head and all I was seeing was the same snow over and over. (-:

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I too have discovered that my results do not display any trickles. After reading through this thread I have now added BOINC.EXE and BOINCMGR.EXE to my (Microsoft Windows) firewall. I have also checked in C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\Projects\\climate prediction.net\\hadsm3fub_002m_005917205\\dataout and can see 189 files of type \"NC File\" and type \"P<a><nn>C10\". Are these the trickle files? and if so, how do I get them to upload?

Your help is appreciated,

Charlie Simpson

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Hi Charlie

If you had any zip files stuck and not uploading, you\'d see them in your BOINC manager\'s Transfers tab window. But I don\'t think anything can be stuck there. The model you mention, which you must have restored from a backup after it crashed at the end of January (well done for rescuing it!), shows regular trickles on its project web page:

http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/result.php?resultid=7075242
Its trickles have been getting to Oxford promptly, so it\'s highly likely that your models\' zip files have also been sent without delay. Your crunching model will produce its next zip file for upload at the end of phase 2 (I think after model date 1 Dec). Until then there will only be trickles. The trickles don\'t produce files for upload. They\'re just a brief contact with the server to inform it that the model\'s progressing and you qualify for more credits.

After each successful trickle, you should see BOINC manager messages similar to these:

09/02/2008 10:53:33|climateprediction.net|Sending scheduler request: To send trickle-up message. Requesting 0 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
09/02/2008 10:53:38|climateprediction.net|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

You can see the web pages for your models by going to your account (thro BOINC manager, or click on your name here, or select Your account in the menu on the left of this page), then clicking on Computers, then your computer\'s results.

The model isn\'t crunching very fast. Have you got the CPDN screensaver enabled? If so, I would turn the screensaver off and crunch slightly faster.

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Cpdn news

A trickle file is of type xml.
It\'s easy to find them; their name starts like this: trickle_up_. (Followed by the the name used for the model.)

They are only a few bytes long, and are uploaded in an instant, so unless you have the network access set to \'off\' for a while, or are having network/firewall difficulties, you won\'t see one.

Thanks for your help. I was looking in the wrong place. I assumed that the reult id at the top of the list was the most recent one, and thought that, because what turned out to be the correct result, showed \'Client Error\' and the Server State as being \'Over\', then it would not be the most up to date.

(Hope that this makes sense!!)

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Perfect sense. :)
The list is sorted numerically on the Result ID and not the date, so the current model is not necessarily at the top. (Bit confusing.)

The \'error\', etc are from the first \'end result\' contact with the server, and will stay that way, as the software has no means of updating it to the NEXT \'end result\' contact. And you\'ll get an abrupt rejection of your \'final\' final result when you get there. Again, a software \'feature\', used by other projects, but totally ignored here.

Looks like the trickles may be stuck again.
None showing since the outage.
Chris

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The trickle server was one of two that had filled up, so it may take a while for trickles to appear on accounts.
As long as the upload message was followed by a \"succeeded\" message, everything will be fine.

The trickle server was one of two that had filled up, so it may take a while for trickles to appear on accounts.
As long as the upload message was followed by a \"succeeded\" message, everything will be fine.

Have I missed something? You say \"filled up\" as though it is common knowledge why my browser could not connect.

Could you point to somewhere that explains why the service was down, please?

F.

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Fred,

Although the proliferation of message boards can be confusing, when the BOINC message board is off-line (i.e. this one) then one place to look is the News section of the \'independent\' (or PHP) message board: here. The reverse also applies: if the PHP board is down, then look here for news.

There is also a server status page that will generally run even when other bits of the BOINC-supplied Web site are not running. It\'s here.

Team message boards are also a good source of this sort of status information.

Iain

Hi Fred

Yesterday, Monday, there was a CPDN outage of some of the servers. This forum was totally down. We didn\'t notice that the problem was affecting trickle-ups until late at night - when I\'d checked the CPDN server status page the upload servers which accept trickles appeared to be running.

In addition, the CPDN programmer Milo who would normally tell us what was happening is away on CPDN business in Trieste.

Anyway, as soon as we realised there was a real trickle and file upload problem, which was really late at night, I posted about it in the News threads of the other CPDN forums. But I couldn\'t post in the news thread here because this forum was still down.........

http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/forum_thread.php?id=5447

If ever this forum is down, it\'s a good idea to go to the CPDN independent forum News thread:

http://www.climateprediction.net/board/viewtopic.php?p=74174#74174

Sorry about all that. If our trickles have to wait because of an outage it does no harm, but our credits may be delayed for a day or two.

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Cpdn news

Unlike other projects that can throw away data that doesn\'t meet it\'s needs, this project keeps ALL data returned, and as a result it has accumulated Terabytes of it, all of which needs to be stored.

This has been mentioned in a lot of threads over the last few years, usually as a reply to complaints/queries about missing trickles/credit. If you go back over the post titles of this Number crunching section, you\'ll find similar things mentioned.

With this lastest down time, there was a post in the News and Announcements topic of all of the associated websites that could still be reached, the main one being the alternative site here at the Open University.

As for

... You say \"filled up\" as though it is common knowledge ...

I\'m a moderator, and I get to hear about \"inside info\", which I, (and other mods), pass on if appropriate, as I did here when asked.

There is also a post in \"News\", (and one or more threads here and \"the other site\"), about why there were severe slow downs around Christmas and into the new year. (Data extraction for the physicists.)

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I was beaten to it by TWO others this time. :)

Thanks for the prompt replies, all.

I was not really whinging (well... I suppose I was, really!!). I guess my real beef is that I would have expected some explanation of what had caused the system to go down to be one of the first items to appear on these boards as an announcement once the service returned, rather than as a cryptic response to a post here in NC.

Don\'t get me wrong - I\'m not knocking the valuable service provided by the mods here but, being used the rather more anarchic boards on SETI where any unannounced downtime creates a storm of posts I was surprised at the lack of obvious information.

I have now bookmarked the alternative pages for announcements so should be more relaxed in the event of similar occurences in the future.

F.

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Because SETI has short tasks, any downtime immediately results in tens of thousands of machines which are sitting idle. The situation here is that since the tasks are much longer, there is only a very small pool of machines looking for work at any one time. So downtime tends to be ignored (or not even noticed) by most people - it is just the forums which people notice. And again, because we have two sets of forums, the phpBB ones are the most popular and people might not notice if the boinc forums are down.

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I'm a volunteer and my views are my own.
News and Announcements and FAQ

The situation persists.
Perhaps a well aimed kick is in order...

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Just to remind everyone that it\'s very quick and easy to check the server status at any time by looking at this page - there\'s a link to it in the menu to the left of this screen. You can also elect to receive an e-mail whenever something is posted in \"News and Announcements\" in either this forum or the phb one.

Although the servers are now operational, it will no doubt take some time for all the stats to update.

Les, I think you get \"beaten to the draw\" in answering queries not just because you don\'t type fast enough but also because you take the time to answer questions fully and understandably. We\'re not about to complain - thank you! ;-) And all the other mods too of course, you all do a great job.

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I think that some time ago, the export files here started being created later than originally, so that it was AFTER the stats sites did their main update. (BOINCstats, anyway), so that the cpdn credits are \'out of sync\' by a day.

So the last BOINCstats results show no credits for anyone, which is a day after the outage ended.
Currently, they show me as having 640,433 credits, whereas my account page says I have 642,565.94, which is about right. The next update in about 8 hours should show everyone with daily credit again.

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This time YOU beat me to it SP.
You gotta laugh.

Hi Guys.
Think you are missing the point here.
This has nothing to do with stats or credits.
The trickles are not appearing on accounts,personally have had nothing since 11.51 on the 25th.The sever has been up and running for nearly 24 hours since the outage,so would normally expect to see some movement.
The server page is useful but does not always tell the full story it can be fully on green but still mask a problem, as I believe it is at the moment.
Of courrse stats or credits cannot be updated untill we see a few trickles.
Cheers
Chris

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TylerChris
This happens sometimes, the trickle server gets filled.
I even completed a model yesterday, that is not showing as any activity since the 25th.
Not to worry they will be listed and you will get credit. By the amount of credits you have you must have been through this before and got the credits.

Cheers
Ray

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