*since joining the team.

Hello Qax

"Since joining the team", is because credits here are complex - they are allocated based on the trickle_up files received, so that people get partial credits all the way through the long modelling process.

However, it was found way back near the end of 2004, soon after the project moved from a stand alone based project, to a BOINC based project, that BOINC was insisting on also allocating full credits at the end the processing.
BUT ONLY FOR SOME COMPUTERS.
This became known as The Random Credit Lottery, and people who missed out were somewhat upset.
So a custom program was written, that completely re-calculated credits for each computer/person/team, each time more trickle_up files arrived.
Then this process began to overwhelm the servers, as more and more people joined, and more and more models were processed. So the credit calculations were changed to 2 or 3 times and eventually to once a day.

Because of this, Team credits are "forgotten" after each re-calc, so they only exist since the person joined a team, and they disappear from the team's total credits when a person leaves.

Re the credits problem:

The 2 software engineers working here, actually work for an IT section associated with the university department that cpdn is a part of.
They are not BOINC people.

The moderators keep gently reminding them about the credit aspect of things, but "when you're spending lots of your time fighting off alligators and mosquitoes ..." etc.

And, as I said in the previous post, the credit system here is not BOINC standard, and probably never will be.
It's also possible that too much nagging will encourage them to implement the Credit New system.

Re the credits problem:

They are not BOINC people.

At least they are not pod people. ;)

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Sorry for being negative before. I'm not trying to hate on anybody.

I'm trying to spread the world - I want more people doing this. That's all I'm trying to do. And I think - when things....appear shabby to people - you guys are right - these kids probably don't know the difference. But - I think so far, it hasn't been as "neat" as I could have made it.

So - Just I hope that appreciation is there. The faster this gets done, maybe I can win a few people over to stay on after the class is over. That's really my ultimate goal.

I'm not the professor BTW. I was asked by him to demo this and to "lead" a team of us in it. So more than teaching them even, I'm trying to get converts.

Looks like the credits are back online again. At least http://stats.free-dc.org/ and http://www.allprojectstats.com/ gave me a huge credit spike yesterday.

free-dc gave me quite a few credits yesterday, which must mean 17th March, but on BoincStats I/we are still waiting. This must be because of the different times of day that each stats site imports its updates from the projects.

Qax, I hope your students have been thinking a little about the value we attribute to intrinsic and extrinsic rewards. I also hope they've all got successfully running climate models.

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Cpdn news

free-dc gave me quite a few credits yesterday, which must mean 17th March, but on BoincStats I/we are still waiting. This must be because of the different times of day that each stats site imports its updates from the projects.

Yeah, Free-DC has the updated numbers from yesterday, will see if BOINCstats is showing anything with the next update cycle...

Ralf

Free-DC also granted me all of my credits last night, BOINC all Projects Stats counted my credits three times (for climateprediction, BBC Climate Change Experminent and Seasonal Attribution Project). The other sites show nothing so far.

Hello to all,
I should have followed the branchings of boinc after doing seti in the early 00s for a while, climate prediction is quite timely and i won't run anything else (too bad for the gpus that i have ...).

now to the point: since adding a third client (ID: 1320181), my totals on CPDN aren't updating and the third client isn't reporting anything. the last contact is being updated for all clients.
This has been going on for several days now.

what's to do?
thanks!

Totals not updating is what this thread is about, but you'll probably have to read all of it.
They'll get sorted eventually.

The reason that you're not getting work is that there isn't any.
The Server Status page has a list of model types and how many there are, and can be accessed by clicking on the blue menu to the left, 5 from the bottom.

Work here is intermittent, and we're in between batches. at the moment. The last lot dried up about 10 days ago.

actually i have work, all cores are crunching across the three clients. just wondering about RAC and totals, as it seemed causally linked to my having added a client.

maybe some stats sites need .htaccess with "Options +Indexes" in order to check the timestamps of the the files? I know that there is a file that contains the date of the last update and the filenames, but who knows how the importers work.

From private correspondence, I can tell you that each of the stats sites seem to have different ideas about file names, etc.
Also that cpdn is unique, in that the needed data lies across 2 servers, instead of one as for the other projects.

And the reason that credits haven't been working lately, turns out to be as a result of the university's policy of increasing security, and removing loopholes.
So several things got broken.
Also there are many parts to the code, which is worse than the old BASIC 'spaghetti' code, using poisonous vipers instead of spaghetti.
(I wonder if there's any more metaphors that I could use?)

I've sent 5 trickles for workunit 16369306 and 1 for workunit 8714953, but my claimed and granted credits are both null. Perhaps there is an accumulator routine asleep?

I noticed things haven't changed for a couple of days too. Think of what it will be like when they do get added on!

I've sent 5 trickles for workunit 16369306 and 1 for workunit 8714953, but my claimed and granted credits are both null. Perhaps there is an accumulator routine asleep?

Ah - that's a different problem.

We've mainly been concentrating on the external stats sites, and the transfer process between this project and those sites.

But you're right - there aren't any new credits to transfer right now. I finished a couple of models myself yesterday, but their credits are still stuck at less than half the final value - the script must have failed for the last three days or so.

I finished a couple of models myself yesterday, but their credits are still stuck at less than half the final value - the script must have failed for the last three days or so.

Me too, I finished 14 models. This happened earlier on another occasion and the techs solved the problem. Sooner or later the credits will be there.

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I guess we are looking at Monday morning at the earliest now seeing as it is almost 17.00UK time.

Well I have just completed three more European work units, and have another three work units almost complete (93 to 99%). These haven't got any credit yet.