Message 56665 - Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 5:30:06 UTC paradox
--Hi David,
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--I'm in agreement with you actually. I second your motion to erase this thread --and I give you my word that I WILL NEVER POST ON THIS SITE AGAIN..

Fantastic

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Message 56666 - Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 5:48:38 UTC paradox
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--Iain,
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--That was beautifully written. It brought a tear to my eye.......

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Message 56667 - Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 7:11:55 UTC
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--Wow! A poet and a scholar.

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End of my posts here.
My earlier post could be construed to break rules 4 & 5 for which I apologise.

Paradox,

The forum you mention has no connection to this one, though it might of course have had a Web roll that listed sites of possible interest to its members and this site might have been listed there. Your suggestion of a conspiracy makes no sense given that there is no connection.

There was another CPDN-branded forum that was ultimately infected by Chinese commercial spammers and taken down. Nothing to do with suppressing discussion, and nothing to do with the forum you mention.

Your account here cannot be deleted. The purpose of a CPDN account is to enable simulations to be run and the project needs to know what kind of machine was used to run the account, so it has to be kept.

Iain

... I'm just saying that this is what came up in pursuit of my erased forum and off the original site - http://climateapps2.oerc.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/forum_thread.php?id=7562#56625

And only days ago, now changed. ...

Paradox,

The posts that you made in the "Climate change in the News" thread (i.e. the 7562 in your link) were moved into this thread ("Paradox", thread #8444) because they were not relevant to the topic of the news thread and they contained inappropriate language for any thread. So the link has changed but the posts are in this thread, not deleted.

I've done a search for "Paradox" on this forum and can find no other user of that name on this site. If you have another account here under a different name then you'll have to find it yourself. If you had an account on the closed-down CPDN "PHP" board or the BBC Climate Change Experiment board then those accounts and their associated posts have gone, just as happened to the rest of us - no special treatment for anyone.

So you should perhaps take your conspiracy theories somewhere else: there is absolutely no point in accusing people on this message board of doing things regarding a thread on another message board the location and affiliation of which you seem unable to remember.

Iain

What's sadder is that Trump is the one who took the higher ground and remains a voice of reason.

It is indeed sad that anyone whould think of Trump as a voice of reason.

Hi all;

This guy must be a 'wind up' merchant. Of the anonymous kind, of course.
Bulgaria???

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David

I should have said "with any posts": there are a few paradoxes ...

Paradox,

The purpose of this message board is principally to provide a forum for people running the CPDN software, which you are not. Those who have been here for some time will be very familiar with the tediously repetitive claims of climate change deniers such as yourself - it's a free market, so if they're not buying what you're selling then perhaps you shouldn't blame them but look to yourself.

And, yes, we in the U.K. are keenly aware of the Gulf Stream and the threat to it from Greenland melt water. I have spent many happy holidays on the west coast of Scotland, including Poolewe, with its sub-tropical gardens, and Plockton, as below:



In thousands of years, there might well be good reasons to burn fossil fuels again to prevent the return of the ice, but that'll be someone else's problem - and then, as now, it will be scientists who will have the best descriptions of what is likely to happen, not conspiracy theorists.

Iain

Paradox,
I am sorry if I am being obtuse. I have still not worked out what the forum that was present until a few days ago was. Are you able to post its name and former web address? Are you able to link to some peer reviewed articles that support what you are saying. Much of the work from CPDN ends up in peer reviewed articles. I know this because I read some of them and follow up the references.

Not quite sure about the relevance of http://www.theenvironmentsite.org/forum/

I haven't found any arguments there yet, just lots of posts with mostly no replies to them.

Edit: Number of hits daily to the forums may only be a few hundred a week as you suggest but there are over 10,000 users with recent credit which is a significant number of people contributing their computer time to the project!

Dave

On reflection, I felt I should look at actualities in the past and not just respond with a personal kneejerk reaction.
In 2005, paradox did indeed create a blog on the site he mentions, and seemed much less dogmatic than he does here, albeit having a very warped viewpoint of scientists mindsets.
"While some camps are convinced man is the cause of this growing chaos I am not so sure. When you sift through the rhetoric you realize that all of the experts and activists still do not know enough. They pretend that they do�but they do not. While science deals in probabilities and they have reached a quasi-consensus about global warming it is far from the ideal foundation from which to implement policy either globally or regionally. Yes, curbing CO2 emissions and developing alternative energies is critical but there are elusive and enigmatic forces working that must be identified, studied and understood for a realistic solution to become viable."

That was 12 years ago.
Since then, much peer reviewed research has been completed, published and confirmed many times.

Out of what must be thousands of confirmatory research activities, I've picked 2 links to what I think are very readable studies of current Climate Change which show factual evidence and validation of theory, confirming that the current planetary weather systems and environment are changing incredibly rapidly (in geological terms) in unprecedented ways that are entirely anthropogenic in cause.
I've also pointed to a psychological study which identifies the psychosocial causes of human impacts on the planet with relation to GHG's, showing also that the species has reached a density making it an actual planetary force in terms of environmental change, not just clumps of animals with simply local effects.

To any reasonable mind these three alone really do blow the mythologies created by Climate Change deniers out of the water.

Anthropogenic Climate Change
Quote from Sceptical Science
“Like a detective story, first you need a victim, in this case the planet Earth: more energy is remaining in the atmosphere.
Then you need a method, and ask how the energy could be made to remain. For that, you need a provable mechanism by which energy can be trapped in the atmosphere, and greenhouse gases provide that mechanism.
Next, you need a ‘motive’. Why has this happened? Because CO2 has increased by nearly 50% in the last 150 years and the increase is from burning fossil fuels.
And finally, the smoking gun, the evidence that proves ‘whodunit’: energy being trapped in the atmosphere corresponds exactly to the wavelengths of energy captured by CO2.
The last point is what places CO2 at the scene of the crime. The investigation by science builds up empirical evidence that proves, step by step, that man-made carbon dioxide is causing the Earth to warm up.”

LINKS

Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming 2013
https://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-global-warming.htm

The human fingerprint in global warming 2015
https://www.skepticalscience.com/its-not-us-advanced.htm
This is an impressively wide variety of global and regional climate change observations strongly matching the changes predicted by climate models and providing clear fingerprints of human-caused climate change.

Human Behavioral Contributions to Climate Change 2011
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21553951
For the full text :-
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51109192_Human_Behavioral_Contributions_to_Climate_Change_Psychological_and_Contextual_Drivers

I invite paradox to read these completely and thoroughly before responding.
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Actually, I don't know why I'm bothering.

If the AMOC was a reactor it would be going critical along with its components.

I know little about this current other than its existence and its multi decadal oscillation. It is difficult to answer your post in a meaningful way unless you are able to state clearly what is changing in the AMOC and what the shift in the THC is.

I have yet to see any clear scientific evidence for a coming winter, though it is likely that with climate change due to CO2 that while global average temperatures will continue to rise, there may well be some areas that get colder. What evidence do you have for a more generalised cooling?